Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/04/2005 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
= HB 134 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS/CBR
Heard & Held
= HB 66 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET
Heard & Held
= HB 67 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS/CBR
Heard & Held
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       March 4, 2005                                                                                            
                         1:41 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault called the House  Finance Committee meeting                                                                   
to order at 1:41:30 PM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Jim Holm                                                                                                         
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
Representative Bruce Weyhrauch                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Guy   Bell,    Assistant   Commissioner,   Office    of   the                                                                   
Commissioner, Department of Labor  and Workforce Development;                                                                   
Scott  Nordstrand,  Acting Attorney  General,  Department  of                                                                   
Law; Kathryn  Daughhetee,  Director, Administrative  Services                                                                   
Division,   Department  of   Law;   John  Cramer,   Director,                                                                   
Administration Services Division,  Department of Military and                                                                   
Veterans  Affairs; Nico  Bus,  Acting Director,  Division  of                                                                   
Administrative  Services,  Department of  Natural  Resources;                                                                   
Susan  Parks,  Deputy Attorney  General,  Criminal  Division,                                                                   
Department  of  Law;  Betty  Martin,  Comptroller,  Division,                                                                   
Department of Law; Bob Bartholomew,  Chief Operating Officer,                                                                   
Alaska  Permanent Fund  Corporation,  Department of  Revenue;                                                                   
Joan Brown,  Chief Budget Analyst,  Office of  Management and                                                                   
Budget,  Office  of the  Governor;  Nancy  Slagle,  Director,                                                                   
Division   of   Administrative    Services,   Department   of                                                                   
Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dean  Brown,  Deputy  Director  of  Forestry,  Department  of                                                                   
Natural Resources                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 66     "An Act making appropriations for the operating                                                                       
          and  capital  expenses  of the  state's  integrated                                                                   
          comprehensive mental  health program; and providing                                                                   
          for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          HB 66 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 67     "An Act making appropriations for the operating                                                                       
          and loan program expenses  of state government, for                                                                   
          certain programs,  and to capitalize  funds; making                                                                   
          appropriations   under   art.   IX,   sec.   17(c),                                                                   
          Constitution  of  the  State  of Alaska,  from  the                                                                   
          constitutional  budget reserve fund;  and providing                                                                   
          for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          HB 67 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 134    "An  Act making  supplemental,  capital, and  other                                                                   
          appropriations,   and  reappropriations;   amending                                                                   
          appropriations;     making    appropriations     to                                                                   
          capitalize  funds;  making an  appropriation  under                                                                   
          art. IX,  sec. 17(c), Constitution of  the State of                                                                   
          Alaska,  from  the  constitutional  budget  reserve                                                                   
          fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          HB 134 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:41:50 PM                                                                                                                    
HOUSE BILL NO. 66                                                                                                             
     "An  Act making  appropriations  for  the operating  and                                                                   
     capital    expenses    of   the    state's    integrated                                                                   
     comprehensive mental  health program; and  providing for                                                                   
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  provided an  update on the  bill.   He let                                                                   
the committee know that no action  would be taken until after                                                                   
the break.  He  noted that 5 subcommittees are  still left to                                                                   
close.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB  66   was  heard  and   HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
HOUSE BILL NO. 67                                                                                                             
     "An  Act making  appropriations  for  the operating  and                                                                   
     loan program  expenses of state government,  for certain                                                                   
     programs,    and    to    capitalize    funds;    making                                                                   
     appropriations  under art. IX, sec.  17(c), Constitution                                                                   
     of the State  of Alaska, from the  constitutional budget                                                                   
    reserve fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault provided an update on the bill.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HB  67   was  heard  and   HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
HOUSE BILL NO. 134                                                                                                            
     "An   Act  making  supplemental,   capital,  and   other                                                                   
     appropriations,    and     reappropriations;    amending                                                                   
     appropriations;  making   appropriations  to  capitalize                                                                   
     funds;  making  an  appropriation  under art.  IX,  sec.                                                                   
     17(c),  Constitution of  the State  of Alaska,  from the                                                                   
     constitutional  budget reserve  fund; and providing  for                                                                   
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Section 10 (a) Management Services                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Language  for  carryforward  of revenues  due  to  audit                                                                   
     findings.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Section 10 (b) Vocational Rehabilitation Administration                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Language  for  carryforward  of revenues  due  to  audit                                                                   
     findings.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GUY   BELL,    ASSISTANT   COMMISSIONER,   OFFICE    OF   THE                                                                   
COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR  AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT,                                                                   
explained  that  the  two  sections  of  the  request  use  a                                                                   
federally approved  rate method to cover costs.   Legislative                                                                   
audit has  recommended that  the legislature approve  revenue                                                                   
carried from one year to the next.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Section 9 Civil Division, Deputy Attorney General's Office                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Judgments and claims of 2/7/05.                                                                                            
                                                  $1,108.9 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT  NORDSTRAND,  ACTING ATTORNEY  GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                   
LAW, explained that the claims  are primarily public interest                                                                   
litigant  fees, personal  injury  cases,  and marine  highway                                                                   
claims.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 11 (a) Opinions, Appeals and Ethics                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Outside  counsel costs  to complete  the appeal  through                                                                   
     the oral  argument in the Planned Parenthood  case; FY06                                                                   
     lapse date.                                                                                                                
                                                    $19.1 GF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Nordstrand pointed out that  these costs complete funding                                                                   
in  the  Parental  Consent  Act  Case  to  prepare  the  oral                                                                   
argument in the U.S. Supreme Court.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  inquired whether a statutory  change made                                                                   
last  session  affected  maritime  claims.    Mr.  Nordstrand                                                                   
replied that the  department is "cleaning up"  the cases that                                                                   
pre-date the 2003 legislation.   He noted that the statute is                                                                   
being challenged.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault asked why outside  counsel was used for the                                                                   
Planned  Parenthood case.   Mr. Nordstrand  replied  that the                                                                   
new  administration continued  with the  attorney already  on                                                                   
the case.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KATHRYN   DAUGHHETEE,   DIRECTOR,   ADMINISTRATIVE   SERVICES                                                                   
DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT OF  LAW, added  that Department  of Law                                                                   
staff was also used.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Section 11 (b) Statehood Defense                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Extend  lapse  date  to  June  30,  2006  for  Navigable                                                                   
     Waters, RS 2477 Rights-of-Way,  Statehood Defense - Sec.                                                                   
     62(b), ch. 82, SLA 2003.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Daughhetee explained  that  the money  would  be for  an                                                                   
additional staff to work on this case.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 11 (c) Environmental Law                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Extend  lapse  date  to  June  30,  2006  for  continued                                                                   
     analysis of the continuing  injury from the Exxon Valdez                                                                   
     oil spill and development  of restoration options - Sec.                                                                   
     16, ch. 159, SLA 2004.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Section 11 (d) Environmental Law                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Extend lapse date to June  30, 2006 for Exxon Valdez Oil                                                                   
     Spill Trustee Council - Sec. 22(c), ch. 159, SLA 2004.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Daughhetee  related that these  were items funded  by the                                                                   
legislation last year.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section 12 (a) Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Transfer RPL 09-5-0001, authorized  on July 8, 2004, for                                                                   
     the  Alaska Aviation  Safety project  from operating  to                                                                   
     capital ($2,803.0 federal funds).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  CRAMER,  DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATION  SERVICES  DIVISION,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF  MILITARY AND  VETERANS AFFAIRS explained  that                                                                   
the  request transfers  this  project from  the  department's                                                                   
operating budget to its capital budget.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 12 (b) Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Reappropriation  of the estimated balance  of $48.5 from                                                                   
     the Tudor Road Combined Support  Maintenance Site Clean-                                                                   
     up project  (Sec. 1,  ch. 135,  SLA 2000) for  statewide                                                                   
     emergency communications.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Cramer  related  that  this is  leftover  money  from  a                                                                   
project  that cleaned  up a  maintenance shop  site on  Tudor                                                                   
Road,   and   the   department   would  like   to   have   it                                                                   
reappropriated to the emergency communications program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 12 (c) National Guard Military Headquarters                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Anchorage   Armory  basic  telecommunications   service;                                                                   
     increased basic telephone  service costs provided by the                                                                   
     National Guard  Bureau for  FMVA offices located  in the                                                                   
     Anchorage Armory.                                                                                                          
                                                     $57.2 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Cramer   explained  that  the  annual   basic  telephone                                                                   
services  costs,  which  will  be  billed  to  state  program                                                                   
offices operating  within the  Armory National Guard  on Fort                                                                   
Richardson.  Federal  agreements will not allow  this expense                                                                   
to be charged to the military.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Section 12 (d) Air Guard Facilities Maintenance                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Network  Services Costs for  Kulis and Eielson:  network                                                                   
     service is provided by the Air National Guard.                                                                             
                                                     $30.9 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer related that the cost  of state network service is                                                                   
not  available  through the  State  of Alaska  Department  of                                                                   
Administration's ETS to the Air National Guard.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Section 12 (e) Alaska Military Youth Academy                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Network  Services Costs  for the  Alaska Military  Youth                                                                   
     Academy:  network  service  is  provided  by  a  private                                                                   
     sector vendor.                                                                                                             
                                                     $52.6 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer  explained that this  item is also not  covered by                                                                   
the Department  of Administration  for  the Youth Academy  at                                                                   
Fort Richardson.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:52:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 13 (a) Fire Suppression Activity                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Costs to fight worst fire season in history.                                                                               
                                                $36,902.7 GF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICO  BUS,   ACTING  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION   OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                   
SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL  RESOURCES, explained  costs                                                                   
of the  fire season last year,  which was almost  three times                                                                   
the average general fund expenditure.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly asked  if  there is  any  check on  the                                                                   
efficiency of expenditures.  Mr.  Bus explained that there is                                                                   
an   Instant  Command   Center,   which  evaluates   resource                                                                   
allocation  on  a  daily  basis.  Daily  cost  estimates  are                                                                   
reviewed. The  state works with  the federal cooperators  and                                                                   
local districts to review activity  after the season is over.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  BROWN,  DEPUTY  DIRECTOR  OF  FORESTRY,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                   
NATURAL   RESOURCES,   testified  via   teleconference.   She                                                                   
explained  that a  Wildland  Fire Situation  Analysis  (WFSA)                                                                   
occurs from  the time  fire escapes  its initial attack.  The                                                                   
WFSA is  done frequently  (sometimes more  than once  a day.)                                                                   
The WFSA looks  at strategies for fire suppression  and their                                                                   
associated  costs.   The situation  is monitored  on a  daily                                                                   
basis.  A Night  Report is  also  kept on  every fire,  which                                                                   
gives estimates of costs. The  reports are discussed with the                                                                   
incident  commander,   teams,  and  the  area   and  regional                                                                   
foresters.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly asked what  she wished would  have been                                                                   
done  better.   Ms. Brown  replied  that the  weather was  an                                                                   
unprecedented  situation of  natural forces.  She noted  that                                                                   
the operational  activities and incident command  system were                                                                   
reviewed. She did  not see a worst-case item  that stands out                                                                   
in terms  of inefficiencies.  There were  many successes.  It                                                                   
was the first time there was a  joint command in the Northern                                                                   
Region, involving local government and entities.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:59:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Holm  asked   how  communication   could  be                                                                   
improved.  Ms.  Brown noted that training would  occur in the                                                                   
spring.    The  joint  command   would  be  moved  from  Fort                                                                   
Wainwright to towns for better  access. She observed that the                                                                   
media was  helpful. They will  attempt to contact  landowners                                                                   
directly.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holm  suggested that there should  be a single                                                                   
voice.   He wondered  about the  connection between  the cost                                                                   
and the support  received from the Bureau of  Land Management                                                                   
(BLM), National Type  1 Team. Ms. Brown noted  that the state                                                                   
of Alaska  has interagency agreements  with BLM and  the U.S.                                                                   
Forest Service. She observed that  Alaska has a National Type                                                                   
1 team,  but that it was  already fully committed.  The costs                                                                   
are a  function of  fire complexity, not  the team,  based on                                                                   
land ownership.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holm related that  he was  on the scene  when                                                                   
the  first team  arrived and  felt that  there was  a lot  of                                                                   
wasted time looking  at maps and figuring out  the vegetation                                                                   
and animals.   Ms.  Brown stressed  that fire situations  and                                                                   
fuels are  different in Alaska.  A local liaison  is attached                                                                   
to each Type  1 Team. There were 21 Incident  Management Team                                                                   
mobilizations: three were National  Type 1 Teams. Individuals                                                                   
from the Alaska  team were put in charge of  individual fires                                                                   
by the time the Type 1 Team was called in.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft  pointed out that it is  a weird funding                                                                   
situation  because there  are two  issues: Are  they doing  a                                                                   
good  job fighting  fires; and  is it  being done  in a  cost                                                                   
effective manner?   He questioned  what systems are  in place                                                                   
to insure that the money is being  spent correctly.  He asked                                                                   
for systemic information regarding cost control.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:07:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  explained that the  legislation changed  the funding                                                                   
method to  the average of  the last 10  years, with  the high                                                                   
and  low years  thrown out.  When  this funding  runs out  an                                                                   
emergency/disaster   situation  has   to  be  declared.   The                                                                   
presiding officers  of the House and the Senate  are notified                                                                   
of the  situation and the best  estimation of the  new costs.                                                                   
This happened  four or five  times last summer.  The original                                                                   
appropriation  was  $6.7  million.  Additional  proclamations                                                                   
were made on July 20, August 5,  August 18, and September 16,                                                                   
2005.  The  fire fighters  have  to  follow procedures  in  a                                                                   
negotiated document,  which is updated every  year. The costs                                                                   
are reviewed and audited. The  landowner has to pay the costs                                                                   
of the  audit. The  federal government  has to be  reimbursed                                                                   
for National  Type 1  teams, which  come to  Alaska.   At the                                                                   
beginning season long-term aviation  contracts are negotiated                                                                   
to prevent crisis rates.  The  rates the operators charge are                                                                   
negotiated  in  advance,  as is  the  labor.   This  is  done                                                                   
diligently.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brown  added that the  cross billing between  the federal                                                                   
government and  the state is  another way of  checking costs.                                                                   
There were  three FEMA declared  fires, which created  a high                                                                   
level  of federal  scrutiny.  She  stressed that  checks  and                                                                   
balances pay off.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 13 (b) Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Reappropriation  of  the   Grants  to  Named  Recipient:                                                                   
     Ketchikan Area State Parks  Advisory Board - $25,000 for                                                                   
     Areawide   Health,  Safety   and  Maintenance   Upgrades                                                                   
     project to DNR for same purpose.  As originally                                                                            
     appropriated, the Board has no staff or the capability                                                                     
     to receive and expend the funds.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  noted that the request  is a reappropriation  to the                                                                   
Department  of  Natural  Resources from  the  Ketchikan  Area                                                                   
State Parks Advisory Board. The  legislation appropriated the                                                                   
money last year  as a designated grant to the  Ketchikan Area                                                                   
State Parks Advisory  Board. The Board had no  way to receive                                                                   
or  expend the  funds. The  money  would be  expended by  the                                                                   
department for facilities and campgrounds.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked why the appropriation  was contained                                                                   
in  the   supplemental.    Mr.   Bus  noted  that  it   is  a                                                                   
reappropriation  and stressed  the  need for  an early  start                                                                   
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Section 13 (c) Water Development                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Replace non-realizable receipts.                                                                                           
     $100. GF  ($100.0) Receipt Supported Services                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus  noted  that  the  appropriation  would  change  the                                                                   
funding  source  from  receipt support  services  to  general                                                                   
funds  for  the Water  Program.  In  the previous  year,  the                                                                   
Legislature  appropriated   $300,000  in  general   funds  to                                                                   
receipt  support  services.  The   limit  for  collection  of                                                                   
receipt support services  by the Water Program  is defined in                                                                   
statute as the direct cost. The  department could not collect                                                                   
the  $300  thousand.  Water  case   adjudications  have  been                                                                   
backlogged. The  department is only processing  about half of                                                                   
the applications that are being recieved.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In response  to a question  by Representative Croft,  Mr. Bus                                                                   
clarified that fees are set in  regulation and refer to water                                                                   
usage fee collection.  Water right applications  are based on                                                                   
volume  of usage.  Collections do  not cover  all the  budget                                                                   
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:15:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 15 (a) Alaska State Pension Investment Board                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Increased managers fees.                                                                                                   
                           $1,100.0 various Retirement Funds                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN  PARKS,  DEPUTY ATTORNEY  GENERAL,  CRIMINAL  DIVISION,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT  OF LAW, explained  that this  section relates  to                                                                   
increased   manager  fees,   which   are   a  percentage   of                                                                   
investments  under market.  They are  budgeted in a  separate                                                                   
component and can  only be used for those purposes.  There is                                                                   
an increment in the FY06 budget.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly asked what the funds provide.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BETTY  MARTIN,  COMPTROLLER,  DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT  OF  LAW,                                                                   
explained  that  the  fees  pay  for  external  managers  for                                                                   
domestic    and    international   equity,    domestic    and                                                                   
international fixed  income, and agriculture  funds. Managers                                                                   
work toward a target  return given them by the  Board and are                                                                   
evaluated on their return.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly asked if  there were any new hires.  Ms.                                                                   
Martin replied  that two agriculture  managers were  hired in                                                                   
the last year, and one international  manager was terminated.                                                                   
The changes were related to growth in the assets.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 15 (b) Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority:  Mobility                                                                            
     Coalition grant funds from the U.S. Department of                                                                          
     Transportation.                                                                                                            
                                        $500.0 Federal Funds                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Parks explained that Section  15 (b) is a capital request                                                                   
for the Alaska Mental Health Authority.  The funds would come                                                                   
from the  U.S. Department  of Transportation.  The funds  had                                                                   
previously  been appropriated  to  the Alaska  Department  of                                                                   
Transportation and Public Facilities.   The Administration is                                                                   
working  with  the  federal  government  to  have  the  funds                                                                   
appropriated  back to  the Department  of Transportation  and                                                                   
Public Facilities.  The funds would  be sent as a RSA  to the                                                                   
Department  of Transportation  and  Public Facilities,  which                                                                   
will continue to manage the project.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:19:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  asked about increased  manager's fees.                                                                   
He  requested more  documentation in  the future.   Ms.  Park                                                                   
said they would be happy to do that.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Section 15 (c) APFC Custody and Management Fees                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Increased managers fees.                                                                                                   
                            $1,500.0 Permanent Fund Receipts                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BOB BARTHOLOMEW,  CHIEF OPERATING  OFFICER, ALASKA  PERMANENT                                                                   
FUND CORPORATION,  DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE, discussed  Section                                                                   
15 (c).  He observed that manager  fees are fixed to  rise in                                                                   
the  stock  market.  He  noted  that  the  Corporation  based                                                                   
estimates on  a medium  return of 9  percent. The  return has                                                                   
averaged between 20  - 25 percent annually. There  has been a                                                                   
steep  rise. The  Permanent Fund  was only  $25 billion  when                                                                   
they began  their [budget]  preparation. At  the time  of the                                                                   
hearing, the  Fund was  $30 billion.   He offered  to provide                                                                   
members  with  a  chart,  which tracked  those  assets.    He                                                                   
observed that fees for the management  component were reduced                                                                   
over the  last four  years. Fees are  still $6 million  below                                                                   
where they were four years ago.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Section 20 Treasury Division                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Increased managers fees.                                                                                                   
                                                    $25.0 CBR                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Parks  explained that  the request would  be for  the CBR                                                                   
sub-fund.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:22:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STATE DEBT                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 16 (a) School Debt Reimbursement                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Fund source  change due to a shortfall  in cigarette tax                                                                   
     revenue deposits into the  School Fund.  The School Fund                                                                   
     is reduced  from $30.2 million to $29.4  million and the                                                                   
     Debt Retirement  Fund is  increased from $51,670,084  to                                                                   
     $52,470,084.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 16 (b) Capital Project Debt Reimbursement                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The lapse date of sec. 33(f)(3),  ch 158, SLA 2004, page                                                                   
     68,  line 16  - 18,  is extended  to June  30, 2006  for                                                                   
     Metlakatla Power  and Light's utility plant  and capital                                                                   
     addition debt reimbursement.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JOAN BROWN,  CHIEF BUDGET ANALYST,  OFFICE OF  MANAGEMENT AND                                                                   
BUDGET,  OFFICE OF THE  GOVERNOR, discussed  Section  16 (b),                                                                   
which is a lapse date extension for debt reimbursement.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:23:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (a) Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Bids came  in higher  for Chandalar maintenance  station                                                                   
     construction.                                                                                                              
                                                    $930.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND  PUBLIC FACILITIES, spoke to                                                                   
Section  (17).  The  request   would  replace  the  Chandalar                                                                   
maintenance  station.  She  observed that  the  facility  was                                                                   
found  to  be deficient  structurally  and  was  vacated  and                                                                   
demolish.  The  Department  has   attempted  to  replace  the                                                                   
facility  and  is operating  out  of  a tent,  with  borrowed                                                                   
equipment. The  station is on  the Dalton Highway in  an area                                                                   
with  extreme  weather.  The  Department  has  received  $2.6                                                                   
million to  begin work.  Some groundwork  has been  done. The                                                                   
building  has  gone out  to  bid,  but  came in  higher  than                                                                   
available funding. The request  would allow work to begin and                                                                   
provide the basic shell of the  building. They have requested                                                                   
an amendment to the capital budget to complete the project.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked the size  of the building  and total                                                                   
cost. Ms. Slagle  responded that the total  construction cost                                                                   
is estimated  at $5.8 million.  The amendment to  the capital                                                                   
budget is $2.4 million. Most of  the equipment located in the                                                                   
building  is  for  maintaining  the Dalton  Highway  and  the                                                                   
Chandalar  Airport.  The location  is  a  factor, as  is  the                                                                   
increased cost of steel.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:28:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holm understood  that the Coldfoot station was                                                                   
used  for most  of the  area maintenance  and questioned  how                                                                   
close  it  is to  Chandalar.  Ms.  Slagle  did not  know  the                                                                   
mileage  involved.   Representative  Holm  expressed  concern                                                                   
that the  project not be a  "Cadillac". He felt the  cost was                                                                   
high.  Ms. Slagle offered to get more information.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (b) Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Adak contract - new federal authority for capital                                                                          
     improvements.                                                                                                              
                                       $3,400.0 Federal Funds                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  discussed  Adak airport needs  and upgrades.  The                                                                   
funds  would  come from  a  Department  of Defense  grant  to                                                                   
assist in infrastructure  for the airport. An  airport rescue                                                                   
and  fire fighting  biding  would  be built  and  de-watering                                                                   
pumps would be upgraded, as well as the lighting system.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (c) Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Emergency       and       Non-routine       Maintenance:                                                                   
     Failed         railroad        crossings,         $305.0                                                                   
     Winter   ice   storm   and   avalanche   damage,   $50.0                                                                   
     Johnson River bridge damage, $218.4                                                                                        
                                                    $573.4 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  explained that  the Department requested  funding                                                                   
in  the FY05  capital budget  for  emergency and  non-routine                                                                   
maintenance area. The Legislature  directed the Department to                                                                   
request  funds in the  supplemental budget.  There are  three                                                                   
items:  $305.0  for  failed  railroad  crossings,  $50.0  for                                                                   
winter ice storm  and avalanche damage, Johnson  River bridge                                                                   
damage, $218.4                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle bridge  repairs due to over height  vehicle, which                                                                   
caused extensive damage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  questioned if there is  an opportunity                                                                   
for third  party reimbursement for  damage to the  bridge and                                                                   
railroad  crossing. Ms.  Slagle  explained that  there is  an                                                                   
opportunity  to   recover  some  costs.  The   individual  or                                                                   
equipment, which caused the bridge  damage was not found. The                                                                   
railroad  crossing damage  was not a  specific incident,  but                                                                   
the result of needed deferred maintenance.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:36:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (d) Anchorage Airport Facilities                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Anchorage Airport Facilities                                                                                               
                    $1,001.4 Internat'l Airports Rev Fund                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section   17(e)  Anchorage   Airport   Field  and   Equipment                                                                   
Maintenance                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Anchorage Airport Facilities                                                                                               
            $274.8 Internat'l Airports Rev Fund                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle reviewed  the request and explained  that sections                                                                   
17  (d)  and  (e) both  relate  to  increased  utility  costs                                                                   
associated  with  the Anchorage  International  Airport.  The                                                                   
additional space  in the  C Concourse has  also added  to the                                                                   
increase  in  costs.  The request  would  be  funded  through                                                                   
international  airports revenue  funds,  which are  generated                                                                   
from airport operations.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (f) Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Reappropriate  the  June 30,  2005  balance  of the  $10                                                                   
     million appropriation  made in sec. 29(c),  ch. 159, SLA                                                                   
     2004  for  the  Adak  air  field,  estimated  to  be  $9                                                                   
     million, to DOT for capital improvements.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Slagle   observed   that   the   request   is   for   a                                                                   
reappropriation of  $10 million in federal  receipt authority                                                                   
for  the  operation  of  the Adak  Airport.  The  funds  were                                                                   
appropriated  in  the  operating  budget  for  operating  and                                                                   
capital expenditures.  The Department has requested  that the                                                                   
remainder of the funds be identified  as capital spending for                                                                   
efficiency.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault clarified  that  the  Department does  not                                                                   
have the authority to expend the capital funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:39:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (g) Central Region Facilities                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Heating fuel and risk management cost increases.                                                                           
                                                   $249.9 GF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:41:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (h) Northern Region Facilities                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Heating fuel and utility cost increases.                                                                                   
                                                    $465.5 GF                                                                   
Ms.  Slagle observed  that fuel  prices  have risen  24 -  40                                                                   
percent  throughout the  state.  Some areas  natural gas  and                                                                   
electricity bills  have risen by 65 percent.  There have also                                                                   
been  increases  in  the  risk management  cost  due  to  the                                                                   
addition of snow removal equipment buildings.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (i) Central Region Highways and Aviation                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Anchorage snow haul and equipment fuel, utilities, sand                                                                    
     and steel cost increases.                                                                                                  
                                                  $1,374.4 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (j) Northern Region Highways and Aviation                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Equipment fuel, utilities, and steel cost increases.                                                                       
                                                  $1,399.5 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (k) Southeast Region Highways and Aviation                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Equipment fuel, sand, chemicals and steel cost                                                                             
     increases.                                                                                                                 
                                                    $263.4 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle noted  that these  sections  relate to  increased                                                                   
utilities  and commodities  costs in  highways and  aviation.                                                                   
There has  been a  70 -  100 percent  increase in steel.  She                                                                   
added that  $120 thousand is  for snow hulling  activities in                                                                   
the Anchorage area.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holm  questioned  how  many  miles  of  state                                                                   
highway are maintained in Anchorage.  Ms. Slagle did not have                                                                   
the information.  The state also maintains traffic  lights in                                                                   
the Anchorage  area. There  is significant coordination  with                                                                   
the municipality.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:44:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (l) State Equipment Fleet Administration                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Fuel increases - credit card expenditures reimbursed by                                                                    
     user agencies.                                                                                                             
                       $1,100.0 Highway Working Capital Fund                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  explained that the  request would pay  fuel bills                                                                   
for state  vehicles. The state  has a contract,  which allows                                                                   
bills  to be  paid by  credit  card and  reimbursed from  the                                                                   
users, through  the Highway Working Capital Fund.  Costs have                                                                   
increased.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
In  response to  a  question  by Representative  Hawker,  Ms.                                                                   
Slagle  explained that  the increase  was built into  highway                                                                   
and aviation components, which  employs 80 percent or more of                                                                   
the fleet.  In response to  a question by Co-Chair  Chenault,                                                                   
Ms. Slagle did  not know the type of credit card  used by the                                                                   
state. The state  bid the contract and receives  a 10 percent                                                                   
rebate per gallon.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:47:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (m) Statewide Information Services.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Funding for telecommunications chargeback costs.  FY 04                                                                    
     supplemental funding was not built into FY 05 budget,                                                                      
     thereby causing a shortfall.                                                                                               
                                                    $659.6 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle  noted that the  request would pay  for Enterprise                                                                   
Productivity  Rate  paid  for   telecommunications  services.                                                                   
There  has  been  an  increase  in  the  charge  methodology.                                                                   
Departments  are charged  by their  number  of position.  The                                                                   
Department  of Transportation  and  Public  Facilities has  a                                                                   
large  number  of  employees  that  do  not  have  access  to                                                                   
technology equipment.  The change has impacted  Department of                                                                   
Transportation  and  Public  Facilities  greater  than  other                                                                   
departments. In response to a  question by Co-Chair Chenault,                                                                   
Ms.  Slagle  anticipated  that  the level  of  support  would                                                                   
remain.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:50:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly referred to Section 17 (f).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  reiterated  that  the  Department  received  $10                                                                   
million from the United States  Navy for on going maintenance                                                                   
and infrastructure  upgrade at the Adak Airport.  The request                                                                   
was  for capital  funds,  since  that is  where  most of  the                                                                   
expenditures would be located. but the                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:51:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (n) Central Region Highways and Aviation                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     King Salmon air traffic control current year contract.                                                                     
                                                     $68.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  explained  that the  request  would  cover  FY05                                                                   
expenditures  for the  King Salmon air  traffic control.  The                                                                   
FAA decided  not to continue support  of the King  Salmon air                                                                   
traffic  control.   The  state   of  Alaska  felt   that  the                                                                   
operations  needed to  be continued due  to safety  concerns.                                                                   
The state  is in the process  of negotiating with the  FAA in                                                                   
an attempt to  have them reconsider their position.  They are                                                                   
also talking  to the  United States  Airforce to assist  with                                                                   
costs of the operations.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  noted  that  there  are  a  number  of                                                                   
airfields in  the state that are  extremely busy that  do not                                                                   
have controllers.  He asked if  comparisons are  available to                                                                   
determine the highest area of need.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:54:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 17 (o) Human Resources                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Shortage in realizing savings due to delay in                                                                              
     implementing electronic timesheets.                                                                                        
                                         $140.0 Various Funds                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle observed that the request  is for non-general fund                                                                   
receipt authority.  The FY05 budget  reflected the  intent to                                                                   
create an  electronic time sheet  program. The system  is not                                                                   
available  and  the  savings  have  not  been  realized.  The                                                                   
Department  of   Transportation  and  Public   Facilities  is                                                                   
working  with the  Department of  Fish and  Game to create  a                                                                   
system. The working relationship has been good.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Weyhrauch  asked if the Department  of Law had                                                                   
electronic   timesheets.  Ms.   Slagle  clarified   that  the                                                                   
Department of Law's time keeping  system does not provide the                                                                   
download to the  state pay system. The department  also needs                                                                   
to track expenditures  to their capital projects  through the                                                                   
state accounting system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:57:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(a) Capital                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Airport Improvement Program increase of $18 million in                                                                     
     federal funds as allocated.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(a)(1) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Bethel: Airport Parallel Runway and Other Improvements                                                                     
                                                $16,000.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(a) Capital                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Hooper Bay: Airport Access Road Repairs                                                                                    
                                                 $2,000.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b) Capital                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Surface Transportation Program increase of 8,725.0 in                                                                      
     federal funds as allocated.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(1) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Southeast: Mid Region Access EIS                                                                                           
                                                 $2,000.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(2) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Comprehensive Highway Safety Plan                                                                               
                                                   $500.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(3) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Electronic Crash Web Enablement Form 12-200                                                                     
     and Data Transfer                                                                                                          
                                                   $400.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(4) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Emergency Bridge Replacement                                                                                    
                                                   $800.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(5) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Intelligent Transportation systems                                                                              
     Implementation Plan (IWAYS)                                                                                                
                                                 $1,350.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(6) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Road/Highway Functional Classification                                                                          
     Review                                                                                                                     
                                                   $400.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(7) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Material Site Investigation                                                                                     
                                                   $500.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(81) Capital                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Milepost and Destination Signs                                                                                  
                                                 $1,300.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(9) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
    Statewide: National Highway System and Non-National                                                                         
     Highway System Anti-icing Program                                                                                          
                                                   $400.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(10) Capital                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Traveler Information Signs                                                                                      
                                                   $325.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(b)(11) Capital                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Glenn Highway: Milepost 58, Milepost 60, and Milepost                                                                      
     97 Slides Repair                                                                                                           
                                                   $750.0 FF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle discussed  the remaining sections  18 (a)-(b)(11).                                                                   
She noted that the requests would  provide additional federal                                                                   
funds.   The  Federal   Aviation   Administration  has   more                                                                   
discretion in  how they award  their funds and do  not always                                                                   
agree  with the  state of  Alaska's  proposals. More  federal                                                                   
funds have been found for Hopper Bay, and Bethel.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  referred to Bethel. Ms. Slagle  noted that                                                                   
there is quite a bit of activity in Bethel.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:59:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Stoltze  referred   to  Section  18(b)(10)   and                                                                   
questioned  if the  signs were  related  to tourist  oriented                                                                   
directional signs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  thought  that  the   request  pertained  to  the                                                                   
community  service sign  program,  for new  legal signs.  The                                                                   
request does not address illegal signs.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:02:45 PM                                                                                                                    
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:02 PM                                                                                            

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